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    More than half of British households take more from the national purse than they contribute!!!!!

    Good old socialism .... one day there will be nobody left to pay.

    Part of this is course because we borrow so much to keep the social security programme going.

    With new government tax rules its now possible to pay 45% tax on the overfall loss that you make from your businesses....thats another milestone, taxing losses at 45%.
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    'More than half of British households take more from the national purse than they contribute!'

    That's only extraordinary to you Paul because you are looking at people's contributions only in monetary terms.

    Good grief! If there was a socialist party available here, I'd vote for it. Capitalism gone mad, that's what we've got here. (And climate change, and Islamophobia too to contend with).

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    Yes I was referring to financial contributions because someone has to pay the bill!!!
    Are you telling me that you think that its OK for over 50% of a countries population to take more than they contribute in financial terms?
    Thats its OK fore countries to borrow every year adding to the national debt in order to pay out on social programmes that are totally unsustainable?

    Where do you think money comes from? Trees?

    And climate change, and Islamophobia too to contend with

    Well we now enter the 18th year without global warming ands with a record amount of ice in the Antarctic. We have country after country dropping the green agenda and Germany producing nothing from its wind farms for a whole month resulting in a crash programme of building 18 coal power stations......... so maybe at some point you will admit the climate models are wrong?

    As regards the comment on Islamophobia maybe this video is an example of what I am talking about.
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    At least they have over 80 Sharia Courts to sue Allah in!

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    Here in the USA we have 35 million illegals working for cash "off the books" yet they still get "cash via Child income credits" and the US just failed to pass a law forbidding it. USA has gone insane with these illegal immigrants--many whom are 'demonstrating 'for more free goodies' from the taxpayers.

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    to clarify-the "cash" they get comes from the US govt even if they pay no taxes and are not citizens--amazing eh?

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    In the UK asylum seekers pass through many European countries to make it to the UK. They do not claim asylum in those countries like France and actually make multiple attempts from France until they get in - then they can claim support.
    The government is at last beginning to take some small actions on this.
    The UK is now the most overcrowded country in Europe with a population density four times that of France and three times that of Germany.
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    Paul,

    Don't you think it funny, that given your views on climate change and benefits, it seems so easy to fill in the rest, on Muslims, asylum seekers. Shall I guess, and suggest you'd like to see a fall in taxes generally, with a reduction for the higher income bracket in particular (trickle down effect! ). Privatisation = good? Etc?

    Why do you post such things I wonder.

    Do you seek to persuade people of other political perspectives that your perspective is the 'right' one?

    Why not just post a link to the Daily Mail, and say these are my political views, for the most part. Wouldn't that do?

    Just curious really. No interest in arguing what proportion of incomes come via the government. Sorry.

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    You wish to put me in a nice pigeon hole but that is just far too simple.
    I am anti-capital punishment and very anti-pollution. I do not think that everything should be privatised.

    In the 1980's I once gave a talk to those starting their businesses. It was sponsored by Barclays Bank and my theme to their shock was never to trust the banks. I was never invited back.

    As regards tax, I think the UK government has no choice but to raise very penny it can. At present the top 1% of income earners pay 30% of the tax. If you go too high you collect less tax. Not more. I live in a real world not some sort of model in my head on how I would like the world to be.

    I could go on.

    I would rather debate the points under discussion than just try to go for the person as you have.

    I note you fail to answer every question I asked and so I can only assume you believe that money does grow on trees

    I simply started this post on the latest UK statistic that may interest some. You added the Islamophobia and the Climate change. As normal you avoid actually discussing the issues.

    History has shown time and time again that governments controlling the means of production fails. You can cling to your model in your head and ignore history, ignore facts on tax, ignore facts on the climate model not working, ignore how all the major economies are abandoning the green agenda etc.
    It is not the real world ... the real world shows you evidence every day that disproves your model but you just ignore it.
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    To make life simple for you answer this question:-
    What should Germany do after its wind farms failed to produce a single kilowatt for a whole month and industry almost ground to a halt. Industry made it clear to the government they had to act as the situation is getting more critical everyday as the percentage of unreliable sustainable energy sources increases.

    So what should they have done?
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    In Brazil 33% of the wages are paid by the Gov.
    The current president party had the entire leadership of her party convicted of corruption but most of them are out of jail....
    And things go on.

    I don't see the politicians (ie.: Gov.) as the root cause of the problem.
    Politicians allways were a class affected by the lowest moral std in society.

    It is the society, I mean, we the people, that in general killed the moral stds with no more absolute truths, everything is gray, everybody has it's own truth (means nobody is right) and now the politicians as allways just surf the wave....

    We are about to learn the hard way how valuable is a little thing named moral.

    My 2c.

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    In the UK government spending is almost 50% of the economy.
    Our politicians have made a real mess of borrowing too much - same in the USA.

    I cannot see any positive action that your 2 cents is proposing.

    Now how about answering the last simple question in my previous post?
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    Responding to your question:
    The model of one location / one organization that produce energy for everybody does not work anymore.
    Society doesn't have the moral std to make it work anymore.

    Germany Gov. should reduce / eliminate taxes to the company that invest in it's own energy source.
    That is the right model now: you should produce the energy that you use.

    But sure, this is against the "give the gov. more power" policy so what will end up happening is that tax will increase to make up to the lost time AND you will have to spend more money to invest in your own source of energy because you can not trust the grid.... Just like happened in Brazil in 2000....

    Now it's 4c.

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    You have NOT answered the question which is what to do now?

    Secondly the energy is distributed in wind farms all over Germany. They granted communities huge grants to do it. So your answer does not work.

    They have started on a crash programme of 18 coal fired power stations.

    What is your answer?

    Should wind farm plans be dropped because they offer zero power security?

    They have also had to abandon the solar energy programme as well - there is just not enough Sun. Again granting huge amounts of money for individuals and communities to install solar but that also has zero power security.

    So please spell out how what you would do to produce the energy?
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    Another interesting UK statistic. Speaking of 1 %'s

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...-55-population
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    Could go some way to explaining differences of opinions. And you ( well, certainly I ) have to seriously doubt that these people actually pay a realistic proportion of tax, if any !

    I emigrated to Australia 30 some years ago because thatcher was re elected, I knew then that my kids had little hope of being successful with the odds so obscenely stacked against them. They became: a teacher, squadron leader and a cytogenetescist. THAT is Britain's loss ! They would probably have ended up at Tesco had I stayed there. Australia is not perfect, but it is relatively fair.
    cheers john.

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    you should produce the energy that you use.
    The company I started employs about 300 people now. We have noi land nor means of producing the energy we consume. That policy is utter madness. It would be an incredibly messy waste of land and eye sores all over the place. It is not even the beginning of a real solution but rather a solution approaching madness.

    I do not think that you can say what your kids would have been had you stayed in the UK. You are saying that kids with those obvious capabilities would have ended up serving in a supermarket ...., utter rubbish. We have many professions and kids who stayed here through the Thatcher years and made it well. My own kids are an example.

    Thatcher fixed the UK.
    We had nation industries losing billions that were unsustainable - she had to deal with that a and union power that drained the economy.

    I think she made mistakes as well, for example the way she let in some external market forces in an unfair way. But overall she did well. It took a socialist government to cosy up to the criminal bankers and then spend, spend spend to make us the most in debt nation on earth(per capita).

    I was homeless at 16 and never inherited a cent. I achieved what I achieved because of:-
    1. Hard Work
    2. An education system that encouraged and supported social mobility. Politicians have since ruined that!
    3. Ability.

    I would wish to pay taxes to support a genuine socially caring society but that is not the case. My taxes are squandered and wasted. I am punished for saving because interest rates do not keep up with inflation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForumAdmin View Post
    So please spell out how what you would do to produce the energy?
    Not knowing details from the situation and from the future perspectives, It's evident to me they need to find a back up solution (generators?, more back up batteries on the system?, etc) and then review the enegy strategy considering the effectiveness of the future technology.

    I don't think trashing solar / wind is the way.
    As I understand, they should be used as auxiliary until the tech. reach a point were they can lead the way.

    The company I work for built three huge power plants for the Brazilian Gov. as a back up.
    They run on Diesel.

    The problem there is most of the energy there comes from dams and when you have a dry season combined with a good economy period you may run into problems...

    Now it's 6c

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForumAdmin View Post
    The company I started employs about 300 people now. We have noi land nor means of producing the energy we consume. That policy is utter madness. It would be an incredibly messy waste of land and eye sores all over the place. It is not even the beginning of a real solution but rather a solution approaching madness.
    No it's not and you didn't understand my post.

    My post have the perfect situation - everyone produce what they need - and what can be done - invest on back up and keep using the grid.

    So, install a diesel generator as a back up at your company and keep using the grid. . .

    That is how everybody does in places were grid is not reliable.

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    Thank you ... a reply at last

    Let me tell you a bit about Germany.
    It is/was the most green country in Europe.
    Per capita has the most solar panels of any country in the world.
    Has lots of wind farms all over the place.

    As discussed before the battery solution to store energy is not an option and to even mention that shows a complete technical misunderstanding of power generation.

    However proposing the very wasteful ant-green, highly polluting (compared to conventional forms of energy production) diesel gene solution is truly absurd.
    You are not offering any solution that can ever work.

    I don't think trashing solar / wind is the way.
    As I understand, they should be used as auxiliary until the tech. reach a point were they can lead the way.
    But the solar/wind has to have a 100% conventional back up and hence does not offer even a 1% Change in planning conventional energy sources.

    This obvious fact I have argued with you before on has come home to roost in Germany and you offer no other answer that what they are nose doing as a crash programme - building conventional power stations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForumAdmin View Post
    Thank you ... a reply at last

    However proposing the very wasteful ant-green, highly polluting (compared to conventional forms of energy production) diesel gene solution is truly absurd.
    It is not.

    Brazil allways had plenty of energy from the dams until 2000 when lack of investment and a growing economy made the grid colapse.
    By then, all companies invested in diesel generatos and keep roling.

    Our operation there have more than 4000 employes, heavy machinery and when the grid goes off, it runs on diesel(it can be natural gas if you have available).
    A generator for a 300 people facility don't need too much space.
    You just need to calculate the cost of it and add to the product you are producing. Period.
    There is a cost for bad Gov. . .

    On the other hand, I don't think Gemarny decisions were bad, they are not having problems because of lack of investment, etc.
    Their problems are related to implementation of a new technology and there is a learning curve there.
    It's the cost to learn.

    I admire Germany for having the guts to go ahead with that.
    They will be making a ton of money with the technology they are developing right now when solar efficiency dobles and other countries follow their lead.

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