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    Sorry, Paul, but 'many lifetimes' is a kind of British understatement, or?
    Its a simple fact that it is many lifetimes. As I did not state how many it would indicate a long time. You are factually wrong in stating it is forever but the main point is that we both accept it is a hazard.

    And regarding the 'dealing with it safely': I still remember the days in '86 when we were warned not to go outside. And that was just one occasion where the 'safely' in 'dealing with it' fell a bit short.
    But we are building nuclear and the local communities like Anglesey want the plant to be there. I stated there were risks and that these have to be managed but in practice the hazard is well identified and a lot of progress has been made since the early days of nuclear.

    I agree that there isn't such a thing as 0-Energy but you have to start somewhere and one way is to reduce the overall energy consumption of things. And if we spend the amount of money we already spent for nuclear power in 'green energy' I'm sure the wise guys will come up with something.
    Oh dear, oh dear. We have s pent a fortune on what you call green energy, It has added over 10% to the nations fuel bills. We have spent far more than we have on nuclear and for little result except to make the poorest have higher energy bills. However you have to describe f=green energy - what green energy are you referring to? There is no magic answer.

    no one wants to live in a world where the big and strong don't care for the smaller and weaker. Just as a general answer. In detail you'll find that the top tax payer profit from their taxes on their wealth (which they've most likely inherited) quite heavily, assuming British figures are close to the German ones.
    I do not want to live in that world either. Nor has anything I have ever written stated otherwise.

    In the UK inheritance tax is 40% and most wealth =h is created not inherited.

    Just consider - you create a business that makes $100 profit. You pay 25% in corporation tax leaving $75. That i having already paid huge sums in national insurance the the employees huge sum in tax.Then you collect a dividend and pay 30% tac on the $75 leaving $52.50.You then buy a nice big house an pay as much as 6% stamp duty leaving $49.35.
    Then you are now challenged with a wealth tax which is just another name for stealing but lets ignore that one for now. At this point you die and get hit for 40% death duties leaving $29.6. So in broad terms the state take 70% and you get 30%. Of course the left are clambering for even higher taxes.

    The money that is collected in taxes is squandered big time and never seems to address the most needy in the way most civilised people would like.

    The simple fact is this. There comes a point with those creating and earning the wealth that taxation is so much they choose to leave the country and the state loses the entire tax from them. In The UK the top 1% pay 30% of the tax bill and my logic states that we should encourage more of those high tax payers not do away with them.

    France tried to introduce a 100% marginal tax rate with their new socialist government but settled on just a 75% one. The result was that London now has a lot of wealthy French people paying UK tax rates. The French economy is in a total mess. The UK grew more jobs over the last 4 years than the whole of Europe put together.
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    Well if it's dangerous for only a "Long time" we're alright then. Whew! And here's me believing the scientists quarter of a million years for some nuclear waste to become inert had some truth to it. Thanks for putting us right. We can all stop worrying now because Paul knows they must be wrong, his facts say so.

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    Nobody is arguing about the length of time needed for the waste to become inert. You are arguing with yourself on that one.

    What you are not doing is putting forward a solution to keep our society going and avoiding a return to preindustrial revolution days.

    What you are not doing is putting forward any solution for the third world improving their standard of living.

    I have already stated that one source of clean energy is tiidal power -we have over a 40 foot tidal ranger twice a day in the Bristol Channel - that sort of energy is on a cycle but is predictable. and hence can be used in conjunction with other forms of clean energy.

    Mankind needs to develop forms of alternative energy that are not based on fossil fuels but to date the best of those is still nuclear. France is 70% nuclear.

    So if you wish to argue against nuclear either out forward alternative energy sources or accept doing away with our societies as we know them.

    Its so easy to sit on the sidelines an snipe whilst living of the benefits of fossil fuels/nuclear without suggesting any alternatives. Wind and solar are not alternatives as they both require 100% standby from conventional power sources. They are a form of displacement behaviour to make governments think they are doing something when they are not.
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    France is 70% nuclear.
    France of course has a history whereby they have never got things wrong.
    I agree that tidal power is preferable to fossil and nuclear energy. No argument from me. The problem is not just about energy. It's about unsustainable economic growth. (which is why its fair that the rich should pay ^ 90% tax, though they buy their way out of taxes too) they're the only ones earning above subsistence levels.
    There's a G20 meeting in town here this week. The world's leaders will be advocating even more economic growth.
    How else can the rich become richer?
    The conservative gov't here has just slashed the viability of developing alternative energy options in favour of enhancing fossil fuel exports. Because big business demands that they do.
    Until alternative energy companies have a powerful enough lobby( read bank account) group they will get no support from any conservative gov't anywhere in the world.
    It just ain't profitable because big business hasn't got their finger in that pie yet. Oh yes and we need to halve the world's population as well. Then there would be less cheap labour. So we're buggered whichever way we turn. You'll no doubt blame the lazy working class. Whereas I would believe that greedy people are more at fault.
    This doesn't make either of us right or wrong. It means we will always disagree.


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    which is why its fair that the rich should pay ^ 90% tax
    There would be nobody paying that because the country that does it would have no rich. That is the politics of envy combined with a basic misunderstanding of how economies work.
    they're the only ones earning above subsistence levels.
    Well that makes almost the entire UK population rich as even the poorest seem to have a roof over their head and a co,lour TV. That is just a silly statement.

    As regards France - they have a 100% safety record of nuclear.

    It's about unsustainable economic growth.
    Here I can agree with you. The entire base behind constant growth is flawed. A big subject but I agree.

    How else can the rich become richer?
    Simple, just spend less than you earn and you become richer. You do not need growth to become richer.

    The conservative gov't here has just slashed the viability of developing alternative energy options in favour of enhancing fossil fuel exports. Because big business demands that they do.
    Oh dear.... could it not be because the forms of alternative energy are not really alternatives and because the climate has not warmed for there past 18 years? Governments around the world are backing away from the entire stupid green movement. In fact that green movement has done a disservice to its own cause because governments should be funding long term alternative energy projects.

    It just ain't profitable because big business hasn't got their finger in that pie yet
    Rubbish, total nonsense.
    Big business has rushed into wind and solar energy on the backs of the huge subsidies paid for back an over 10% levy on the average families energy bills... big business loves a guaranteed 20 year income. Take those distorted glasses off, the world is not as you see it.

    Oh yes and we need to halve the world's population as well.
    totally agree. Its the single biggest problem mankind faces.

    Then there would be less cheap labour.
    Not at all, there would still be the same reduction in supply and demand hence no real difference.
    You'll no doubt blame the lazy working class. Whereas I would believe that greedy people are more at fault.
    This doesn't make either of us right or wrong. It means we will always disagree.
    I really resent the assumptions behind that. I have worked my fingers to the bone often working 48 hours without sleep, I have risked all including my house and now employed almost 300 people. I have worked harder than any of my employees and taken far bigger risks. The term 'working class' covers almost everyone I know. please define who you man by this as you are claiming a description of a class which i think is misleading. Almost everyone from management down to the factory cleaner is working class.

    Only a childish person who insisted they deserved to have the last word would ever respond to this post.
    That attempt to stop discussion made me laugh.

    By the way you have still not offered any alternatives... just stayed sniping without any solutions.
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