Green E-Motion

[2hullsgood1hullbad]

Perhaps we should start a competition to see who can find other published nonsense from the man, along the lines of "where's Wally"?

Just to clarify, I was talking about African Cats esteemed owner here rather than Mr Kanter. Mind you, I nipped back for another look at the book just now and noticed that the section I mention is prefaced "after some in depth research...". Mmmmm.

[2hullsgood1hullbad]

Just to finish the tale, here's the relevant part of the reply from Mr Kanter and mine to him:

I do not think I published it any differently than anyone else would under
the circumstances. I never made any claims of actually seeing or testing or
sailing these vessels, I simply reported what information I had and thought
useful at the time.

Actually, Gideon was in Holland all that period and I have not heard a word
about him since.

To which I replied:

I think I broadly agree with your emailed comments ref electric propulsion etc, although I remain puzzled why you essentially printed the contents of a press release and presented it as factual - perhaps you could have prefaced that section by saying "African Cats claim..." rather than stating that you had carried out "in-depth research"? The impression given is that you had researched this system thoroughly when you plainly haven't. As it turns out, in this case the information that you published was wrong in many regards, to the benefit of the people that supplied the information - but potentially to the detriment of people that may have taken what you said as fact.


I guess people will form their own opinions...

[Talbot]

Giddings is adjusting the laws of physics again

[jono]

Planet Gideon is now Houdini?, or the Joker? maybe...

Quote: Dedzaboy (hope you don't mind Dedzboy) on the 'not nice forum'
"Apologies for going slightly off topic here, but after my post #81 on this thread the other day, Fastcat435 made a post where he said that if the electric drive system did not work out as planned, it had been previously agreed with his customers that he would retro-fit conventional diesel engines in place of the electric systems, at Fastcat's expense. To which I replied on post #83, "I wish them luck".
Fastcat's post however has now disappeared completely, making my reply #83 look slightly redundant! So where did Fastcat435's post go?"

Quote: Dedzaboy...still trying to get a reply
"I'm still puzzled by the post that disappeared as discussed in my post #96 above - can someone please confirm whether it was removed by Fastcat435 (is it possible for a "poster" to do this?) or by a moderator for some reason? Thanks."

The Joker's at it again ...jono

[2hullsgood1hullbad]

Well that seems like a bold statement from Gideon - I wonder how many of his customers knew they were "pilot customers" for this electric system? My guess would be ...none. I also wonder how it's possible that it would ever be agreed that the system didn't work as planned? Plenty of scope for argument there I'm sure.

Does anyone out there really believe that in the event that it could be agreed that the system didn't work as planned, that African Cats would bear the cost of hauling the three or four(?) boats that are currently being fitted with the system, removing the electric system in it's entirety, remaking the engine room areas to accept saildrives and engines, supplying and fitting same, plus propellers and fuel systems etc etc etc...not a chance. At all.

We can only hope that those "pilot customers" got something very firm and clear in writing before entering into this experiment. Yeah, right.:::

[KGP]

Dedzaboy via [/i]jono;12519]
Fastcat's post however has now disappeared completely, making my reply #83 look slightly redundant! So where did Fastcat435's post go?"

Quote: Dedzaboy...still trying to get a reply
"I'm still puzzled by the post that disappeared as discussed in my post #96 above - can someone please confirm whether it was removed by Fastcat435 (is it possible for a "poster" to do this?) or by a moderator for some reason?

I'd have to think that Greetings thought better of that post in public, now knowing how much his own words can come back at him, and removed it himself. Or perhaps an interested party - lawyer, employee, etc., made the suggestion.

I think that one can remove a post via the edit function, but only for a certain amount of time. As flawed as the CF rules and enforcement are, I just can't see them doing it for him if it were to have elapsed the time span where he can remove it himself.

He should thank us all. He's learning. Or at least someone is. Too bad that there is a record in the database of what he deleted. And there's always the good possibility that someone has captured a screen-shot of that post!

And while nobody has answered Dezaboy's question on that CF thread, my familiarity with vBulliten is that anyone with the proper moderation privileges (that David M most likely has) can plainly see/view that deleted post when he views the thread. Chances of him answering? : Is it not protectionism to not simply say that "Fastcat435 deleted the post"?

[KGP]

And while nobody has answered Dezaboy's question on that CF thread, my familiarity with vBulliten is that anyone with the proper moderation privileges (that David M most likely has) can plainly see/view that deleted post when he views the thread. Chances of him answering? : Is it not protectionism to not simply say that "Fastcat435 deleted the post"?

I was wrong - about someone answering!