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Nordic
16th September 2009, 08:27 AM
Seems that after only 3 years of use, one of the Fastcat Electrical drives needs a complete rewiring,

See: http://www.seawing.be/

click on Madeira 2.

Seems like Gideon is starting to get his service act together, all of a sudden Frank here, is getting support that was not there for a couple of years.

Funny that he says: "Even stronger, we had no problems at all Which could be related to African Cats during our 7 months in the Canaries" and then goes on to commend AFC for their service.

So what about the 2 previous years or so?


Anyway, good to see that Frank finally is getting some support, now we need to see Butterfly get some as well.

Alan

ForumAdmin
18th September 2009, 06:39 PM
What follows is written with Google in mind:)

Gideon Goudsmit of Fastcat African Cat - It seems from the latest Barnacle & Butterfly blog that they are plugging on trying to get support whilst Frank on hull 3 seems to be getting it.
Seems like a sort of selective support here from a man who has really only 2.5 owners out there!!:)

He told me he had sold dozens yet here we are over a year later and it went up from 1.5 to 2.5!!:)

Gideon ..... that is Gideon Goudsmit of Fastcat African Cats (just to ensure Google picks it up and Gideon understand who we are talking about) please understand that unless Karen and Dick are fairly treated the entire multihull world will know every detail of how you have reacted to their problems and many will ensure that Gideon Goudsmit of African Cats will have a documented weight around his neck that will be difficult to escape from ever.!! Only based on the total truth of the events of course.:) Truth that can be proven to boot!

Gideon Goudsmit of African Cats B.V. - the African Cats Designer - (all good Google stuff again) should note that we are not all only concerned with our own well being but that many are concerned and wish to help others like Dick and Karen who find themselves your victim.

You will not fool a single person with more than two brain cells by selecting Frank to have his Fastcat made by African Cats B.V. put right after it failed to make it across an ocean without taking ever so long according to the blog! If I was considering a Fastcat I would not be fooled for one instant by your selective support of your 2.5 customers to date.

In fact to put it another way - my concern directly involves some 40% of Fastcats - I know that is only one boat but lets face it is sounds better stating its 40% of your customer base!!!:):)

I do not think that anything I write will have any effect with you Gideon Goudsmit of African Cats B.V. but it will make this thread more popular throughout the multihull world
Click Here (http://www.multihulls4us.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1039)

PS
It would be appreciated if any replies to this consider using Gideon; full name and company!!

IreAneY
18th September 2009, 10:05 PM
I am very confused, who is Gideon Goudsmit of African Cats B.V. :) is he, or am I confused the man who builds Fastcats in SA as a hobby or is he the Gideon Goudsmit who builds Green Machine catamarans ( none yet actually on the water, I believe) or the Fastcat 445, Fastcat 435, Fastcat 48, Fastcat 405, Fastcat , sorry I forget all the models he advertises but are not actually available :o.
If you are interested in African Cats B.V. of Fastcats as they are called, I believe the guy to contact is Gideon Goudsmit, mind you I believe they are heavier than they should be :D
Does this affect the Google rankings when searches are performed for Fastcats if so I suggest you read this forum's information and links so as to make up your own mind as to pursuing one of these models, boats look nice but not sure about the back up, shame.:(:(:(

ForumAdmin
18th September 2009, 10:47 PM
Type

and not far down the list is this (http://www.multihulls4us.com/forums/tags.php?tag=gideon+goudsmit)
Sp we are getting there!

scotte
21st September 2009, 03:04 PM
Anyway, good to see that Frank finally is getting some support, now we need to see Butterfly get some as well.

It is good that African Seawing is actually getting support, especially after reading about their mass failure of electrical, generator, drive coupling, rudders, and rigging. (What did I miss?)

At first, I was really surprised at how they defend African Cats as not being the problem, and the problem not being due to build issues and bad design. But now I think we can see that's probably what it takes for Gideon to live up to his moral and ethical obligations - Gideon is a megalomaniac building Bayliners! :rolleyes:

ForumAdmin
21st September 2009, 03:32 PM
Just to make it clear - we are talking about Gideon Goudsmit of Fastcat African Cat here.:)

t first, I was really surprised at how they defend African Cats as not being the problem, and the problem not being due to build issues and bad design. But now I think we can see that's probably what it takes for Gideon to live up to his moral and ethical obligations - Gideon is a megalomaniac building Bayliners!

Yes it would appear from the blog that we get multiple breakdowns and then the owner does not moan but praises Gideon Goudsmit of Fastcat African Cat - then that owner gets support!!! Yet the owners who tell it as it us struggle to get support even on absurd things like doors falling off - they get threatened instead!!!

It is very obvious that unless you go along with the madness and live in that mad world you are placed on the other side and left to fix things yourself.... but then Gideon Goudsmit of Fastcat African Cat could still prove me wrong by looking after Karen and Dick.:)

There is one thing I do take exception to in your post - the insult to Bayliners!!!:):):)

Google just to tell you we are discussing the chap below and the service he provides:-
Gideon Goudsmit of Fastcat African Cat
Gideon Goudsmit of Fastcat African Cat
Gideon Goudsmit of Fastcat African Cat

BigCat
10th November 2009, 06:21 AM
I was just checking in with Butterfly and Barnacle, and I found this was posted a couple of months ago:

"A week ago, after the spat over Mrs Goudsmitís abusive email to Dick, it was clear nothing much was going to be achieved by going further down the path she and Gideon seemed to have chosen. Hurling insults at your customer is not a wise thing to do. Heavily implying they are in the business of trashing their own boat is even more foolish. Denying hard photographic evidence that a door has been badly installed (a fact now endorsed by a qualified marine surveyor) is just bizarre."

Subsequently Gideon Goudsmit of African Cats B.V. stopped responding to their communications.

African Cats paid for some repairs, but not all. I don't know the amounts, but it seems to have been a good bit. Sorry, guys.

Gideon's a slick promoter, but those of us who know about boat design and building doubted him when he started posting obvious exaggerations, slanders, and absurdities on Cruiser's Forum, which is a for-profit private company benefiting from his paid advertisements.

wannab
11th November 2009, 12:35 AM
Am I confused?

We are talking about Gideon Goudsmit of Fastcat African Cats, right? Well Mr. Gideon Goudsmit of Fastcat African Cats, I am located in the Pacific Northwest where I know Bayliner. As a matter of fact, Gideon Goudsmit of Fastcat African Cats, I have know Bayliner for a long time.

Mr. Gideon Goudsmit of Fastcat African Cats you are no Bayliner.

The difference?

I can find two satisfied Bayliner customers.

They have as many electric drives sold.

They both sail better down wind.

I can double the price by filling the fuel tanks.

And... there are only 2.5 people that will admit to owning one.


KM

jono
11th November 2009, 12:25 PM
No, no, no, yes....your not confused. :D

Gideon Goudsmit of African Cats B.V. - Cat African Cats: comfortable lightweight performance leisure catamarans - the African Cats Designer -Gideon Goudsmit of Fastcat African Cats: provides Selected Warranties for all his 2 and a half clients, but you got'a know how to 'kissie suckie' to get your Selected Warranty for your Fastcat 445, Fastcat 435, Fastcat 48, Fastcat, 445 Green Motion, Fastcat 445 Sports Cruiser, Fastcat 505 GreenMotion, Fastcat 605 Green Motion.

And thats not all you get, with your Selected Warranty. You get a instruction booklet on how to 'kissie suckie' to Gideon Goudsmit of African Cats B.V. - Cat African Cats: comfortable lightweight performance leisure catamarans - the African Cats Designer -Gideon Goudsmit of Fastcat African Cats: and all the possible 'cop out' clauses fully listed in our full 4 colour brochure. :) ...a happy Gideon is a....

Karen
15th November 2009, 12:46 PM
African Cats paid for some repairs, but not all. I don't know the amounts, but it seems to have been a good bit. Sorry, guys.


Hi BigCat ...

Just to clarify, so far African Cats have not paid for any repairs. Believe it or not, we are only just coming to the end of warranty discussions with them on who pays for what - in principle. The reason being we have contested some of African Cats' decisions and it has taken forever, it seems, just to reach the stage where things are almost finalised - but again, this is in principle only. No warranty work has been carried out as yet; therefore no repairs paid for as yet.

We have received two small consignments of spare parts from African Cats, but are awaiting (and have been for some time) a much larger package with many bits and pieces to replace faulty items or wrongly installed components.


Subsequently Gideon Goudsmit of African Cats B.V. stopped responding to their communications.

This is absolutely true. Gideon Goudsmit will not reply or deal with our correspondence direct. All our discussions and emails have to be sent via African Cats' service department.

ForumAdmin
15th November 2009, 01:04 PM
This is absolutely true. Gideon Goudsmit will not reply or deal with our correspondence direct. All our discussions and emails have to be sent via African Cats' service department.
And how have they, to date, responded?
When was the undelivered list of parts agreed to?

Karen
15th November 2009, 01:55 PM
The good news is the service department are always civil and whatever decisions they are made to relay, they do so with comprehensible English!

The bad news is that on several issues, African Cats disagree with us and our surveyor about what should constitute as warranty work. That comes as no surprise to us, as you can imagine.

The list of parts required to replace faulty items etc has grown over time as more issues come to light, so our initial request for some of the stuff was months ago. There is a lot of confusion over where the parts are coming from too - initially from SA, then we were told they would be shipped from Holland. Despite requests for clarification and a shipping date, we are still none the wiser.

ForumAdmin
15th November 2009, 02:22 PM
After all your troubles before leaving SA you would think that a rational business person. from self interest alone, would have ensured a quick and positive clean up of all warranty work.

It seems that you have not full read the How to Grovel to Gideon Manual.
For example to did not fully obey the Scaling Clause that clearly states that you should accept whatever weight Gideon deems a scale to read and not what is actually reads. Silly you.:)

As he has only sold 2.5 completed cats to date you represent 40% of the Fast Cats out there. The 0.5 of a cat chap has really only one leg to stand on and so must stay dumb which leaves you really owning 50% of the Fastcats out there.

The pity is that once its all fixed I am sure it will be a fine boat ..... just seems that you may well be paying to make it just that.

Gideon - if you are reading this, please understand that you are throwing away the reputation of your company. Your actions make no commercial sense because they are exposed in front of the world's mulithull community.

BigCat
15th November 2009, 06:49 PM
Hi BigCat ...

Just to clarify, so far African Cats have not paid for any repairs.

Hi, Karen. Thanks for clarifying that. I hope your partial agreement in principal actually turns into some cash. -Tim Dunn aka BigCat

IreAneY
15th November 2009, 07:43 PM
Hi Karen and Dick,

Lovely to hear from you both as always.

I was hoping (in my heart of hearts) that Gideon AKA Fastcats would have realised the errors of his ways and taken full responsibility for the short comings of his build quality and accepted all your claims and paid for all the warranty work by now.

All the best from the 'mini despot camp'.
Ian

ka8uet
15th November 2009, 07:45 PM
Karen, it seems that even if you eventually get the parts, you will wind up having to build your own boat, bit by bit! I would think that the builder would want to fix the things that are wrong, so that he would not lose potential customers. However, he claims not to be in business, but just building boats as a hobby. However, even that sort, if sane, would want satisfied customers. This Gideon seems to be a sadist.

jono
16th November 2009, 12:01 AM
I can't understand why Gideon Goudsmit of African Cats, works so hard over the internet on forums and websites banging on about how perfect a product he has and yet once he has sold a catamaran not wanting to be in anyway responsible for Warranty/workmanship of his product.

Maybe he sees himself as a small target, or from his life as a Car Salesman knowns he just needs to wear down his client on Warranty issues by drawing out the negotiations were the client just goes away.... It's just not fair is it?

Karen and Dick, l hope the warranty come through soon. The world is watching for a result for fairness and honesty for Gideon Goudsmit of African Cats to look after 50% of his client base.

Karen
17th November 2009, 01:36 AM
Well chaps (and lovely chappess!) ...

Woo-hoo! Some good news at last. African Cats tell us that the shipment of parts we've been awaiting is actually in Grenada; the package was sent some days ago apparently. Confusion over a shipping document and whether the parts were to be sent from SA or Holland has not helped communications one jot, which is why we were unaware the shipment had actually been sent.

They have requested we put the record straight which I'm more than happy to do - so thar ya go - duty done.

Karen

therapy
17th November 2009, 01:56 AM
so thar ya go - duty done.

Karen

What about labor?

Karen
17th November 2009, 05:43 AM
What about labor?

Hi therapy ...

"Duty done" was said only with regard to obliging African Cats' request, that's all.

Regarding labour - although we now have a more-or-less final list of what work African Cats have said they will pay for and what they won't, we have yet to submit the final boatyard estimates for their approval. We obtained initial estimates some time ago, but because the scope of warranty work has changed as discussions have trundled on, so we have had to arrange for revised estimates. For reasons beyond our ken and control, this is proving a surprisingly slow exercise.

jono
17th November 2009, 07:15 AM
Karen,

Good news..:):):):)

ForumAdmin
17th November 2009, 09:00 AM
Great news and lets hope they put all the problems right for you and there is no need to campaign any more! That would be the best outcome possible.

Iy is interesting that they care enough about the forum to ask for the matter to be posted here. The first sign of the survival instinct being present:)

therapy
17th November 2009, 03:42 PM
For reasons beyond our ken and control, this is proving a surprisingly slow exercise.

I'll say!

IreAneY
17th November 2009, 06:42 PM
Karen & Dick
Me also, great news, I hope the box of bits are the ones you want to get the problems sorted, and then all you have to do is sort out the labour warranty issues.
Then you are free, keep writing the blog, 'tis good reading m'dear' ;)
Cheers
Ian

jkd
17th November 2009, 07:17 PM
I hope the box of bits are the ones you want to get the problems sorted
Ian

Indeed, not wanting to be a party pooper but I hope its not a box of rocks.:eek:
Hoping for the best,:)

John

ka8uet
17th November 2009, 07:26 PM
I certainly hope that there will be more good news to come! Perhaps now they will accept the surveyer's report and put right ALL the issues. We will be waiting and hoping!

IreAneY
17th November 2009, 07:33 PM
I was wondering if it might be full of toilet rolls as the man is so full of **** ;)
I too am hoping for the best. :)


Indeed, not wanting to be a party pooper but I hope its not a box of rocks.:eek:
Hoping for the best,:)

John

biochemist
18th November 2009, 11:37 AM
I wonder if anybody has seen the latest from Seawing. They are seriously contemplating replacing all high-tech equipment, including: Solomon engines, Panda generators, Capi 2 system, Tack Tick, batteries, etc. , because they do not live up to expectations and are unreliable.

It is a pity that new developments are put on the market without actually testing them thoroughly, and that potentially valid claims are sold as the proven truth. I really hope that Dave Tether (the developer of the Solomon engines) gets his act together and that the Hymar project research leads to a commercially viable system (cf. http://www.electricmarinepropulsion.org/Pages/NewsFrom_EMP-Update.html). I still believe in Electrical or diesel/electric propulsion, but it must be done properly and unproven marketing claims do not help in the development of such a system.

Below is a copy from the seawing website (in Dutch). Seawing decided not to translate this to English so I will honor that.


"12/11/09 Dakar - Saloum - Dakar.


....


O ja, wij zijn gezakt voor het Amazone examen. We konden maar 4.5kn door water maken en waren na een uur de laatste van de groep. Er werd aan 6kn gevaren. Onze 2 generatoren en 100% power deden niet wat AFC ons ooit beloofde tijdens de contract ondertekening. Geen 8kn dus maar slechts 4.5kn. We hebben nog vaste props in reserve en die hebben een beter rendement. Zien wat dat geeft. Maar we hebben er geen goede hoop op. De Amazone zal ons voorbij gaan vrezen we.
OP de terugweg naar Dakar is het wind op kop. We motorzeilen uren lang. De salon ijskast geeft het op. Druk weg zo blijkt later maar de oorzaak daar zoekt nu een Dakar fridge man achter. Ook stopt een generator met elektriciteit te produceren om de dag later dit weer wel te doen. Vast oververhit geraakt. Ook de Tack Tick wind meter heeft weer kuren en Capi 2 doet al helemaal gek door steeds overstroom alarmen te geven at random. Al met al stelt het hele hybride verhaal ons somber en kan ik maar besluiten dat we ons degelijk vergist hebben om dit pad te bewandelen. Vroeg of laat als we een goede werf vinden gaat misschien alles er wel uit en gaan we voor de klassieke sail drives. Dan kunnen we misschien wel 8kn lopen en dat betekend ook veiligheid. Samen met het hybride verhaal gaan dan de solomon motoren, 2 zware generatoren, 4 DC/DC converters, 12 loodzware batterijen, meters zware koper leidingen, verdeelkasten en zekeringen, we winnen een kast, we winnen berg plaats onder het bed en we winnen vooral gewicht. Maar vooral, we winnen een boel trammelant met al dat high tech gedoe dat toch maar steeds weer stuk gaat hier op het zilte water. En als je denk dat we groener zijn dan de klassieke aandrijving, vergeet het maar, we verbruiken meer diesel dan anderen omdat er teveel redementsverliezen zijn met al onze systemen alvorens enig energie aan de props aankomt. " .

BigCat
20th November 2009, 12:18 AM
h yes, we have failed the exam Amazon. We konden maar 4.5kn door water maken en waren na een uur de laatste van de groep. We could only 4.5kn water and were one hours after the last of the group. Er werd aan 6kn gevaren. It was to 6kn hazards. Onze 2 generatoren en 100% power deden niet wat AFC ons ooit beloofde tijdens de contract ondertekening. Our 2 and 100% power generators did not know what AFC ever promised us during the contract signing. Geen 8kn dus maar slechts 4.5kn. Not so 8kn only 4.5kn. We hebben nog vaste props in reserve en die hebben een beter rendement. We have fixed props in reserve and who have a better return. Zien wat dat geeft. See what that does. Maar we hebben er geen goede hoop op. But we have no hope of good. De Amazone zal ons voorbij gaan vrezen we. The Amazon will pass us we fear.
OP de terugweg naar Dakar is het wind op kop. On the way to Dakar was windy. We motorzeilen uren lang. We motor sail for hours. De salon ijskast geeft het op. The lounge refrigerator gives up. Druk weg zo blijkt later maar de oorzaak daar zoekt nu een Dakar fridge man achter. Pressure off later but it appears there is now investigating the cause of a man behind Dakar fridge. Ook stopt een generator met elektriciteit te produceren om de dag later dit weer wel te doen. Also stop with a generator to produce electricity for the later days of doing this again. Vast oververhit geraakt. Fixed overheated. Ook de Tack Tick wind meter heeft weer kuren en Capi 2 doet al helemaal gek door steeds overstroom alarmen te geven at random. The Tick Tack wind meter and weather cycles Capi 2 does all crazy by always giving overcurrent alarms at random. Al met al stelt het hele hybride verhaal ons somber en kan ik maar besluiten dat we ons degelijk vergist hebben om dit pad te bewandelen. All in all, the entire hybrid us sad story and I can only conclude that we indeed have the wrong path to take. Vroeg of laat als we een goede werf vinden gaat misschien alles er wel uit en gaan we voor de klassieke sail drives. Sooner or later if we find a good site is perhaps all the money out and go for the classic sail drives. Dan kunnen we misschien wel 8kn lopen en dat betekend ook veiligheid. Then we might even run 8kn and that also means safety. Samen met het hybride verhaal gaan dan de solomon motoren, 2 zware generatoren, 4 DC/DC converters, 12 loodzware batterijen, meters zware koper leidingen, verdeelkasten en zekeringen, we winnen een kast, we winnen berg plaats onder het bed en we winnen vooral gewicht. Together with the hybrid story than the Solomon engines, 2 heavy generators, 4 DC / DC converters, 12 heavy batteries, meters heavy copper cables, distribution boxes and fuses, we win a case, we win mountain place under the bed and we would mostly weight. Maar vooral, we winnen een boel trammelant met al dat high tech gedoe dat toch maar steeds weer stuk gaat hier op het zilte water. But above all, we win a lot Zine with all that high tech stuff but that it always goes bad here in the salty water. En als je denk dat we groener zijn dan de klassieke aandrijving, vergeet het maar, we verbruiken meer diesel dan anderen omdat er teveel redementsverliezen zijn met al onze systemen alvorens enig energie aan de props aankomt. And if you think we are greener than the conventional drive, forget it, we consume more diesel than others because there ment too much reason to lose all our systems before any energy to the props arrive. " . ".

Google translation, so a little odd.

ka8uet
20th November 2009, 11:58 PM
I'm sorry to hear about the Solomon drive problem, as I had thought from the initial concept and further reading that it was a workable drive, at least in theory. Not so much in practice, it seems!

BigCat
21st November 2009, 04:38 AM
I'm sorry to hear about the Solomon drive problem, as I had thought from the initial concept and further reading that it was a workable drive, at least in theory. Not so much in practice, it seems!

After doing a little math, I didn't think it was feasible. There's just too little power in wind generators and in solar power. Combine this with heavy batteries and losses in all parts of the system - friction, heat, low conversion rates, etc., and it just wasn't going to be possible in average wind and sunshine conditions, given the power needed to make a boat motor at a decent speed for a reasonable duration.

Fortunately, sailing catamarans are already very efficient hybrids, being able to sail when there is wind and being able to motor on just one engine when winds and seas aren't putting up a lot of resistance.

2hullsgood1hullbad
21st November 2009, 07:48 PM
I don't know much about Solomon electric drives, or any other electric drives for that matter, but let's not forget that this particular Solomon system was put together and installed by African Cats - as we all know the quality of their workmanship and installations leave a lot to be desired so it's no great surprise that this particular setup has not performed too well.

Personally I wouldn't trust African Cats to assemble a wheelbarrow.

scotte
22nd November 2009, 05:21 AM
English translation is on the Seawing blog now:

"The current hybrid configuration consisting of two shaft driven electric motors of 4.6 KW each, does not allow this as we can do 4.5 - 5 kts absolute maximum under full power. Frank reckons that if given a chance he will dispose of the whole hybrid system and install diesel saildrives instead. He is very disappointed about the performance and on top has incurred substantial financial loss."

I read they actually have to run two generators to power the system, and their fuel consumption is much higher than other boats while only being able to run at 4.5 knots. Seems pretty obvious this system was not ready for primetime.

Here's a question for the forum: At what hull # would you consider African Cats a success?

BigCat
22nd November 2009, 06:49 AM
Here's a question for the forum: At what hull # would you consider African Cats a success?

A success in what sense? I would think that he would have to have a substantial majority of owners of his products be satisfied customers to be a success in terms of having a reputable product. It's a business, despite the 'hobby' propaganda GG floated, so I'd say he has to make a reasonable return on his equity and have a reasonable backlog of orders relative to his production capacity to be a business success. Since pretending to have this has been a part of his promotional campaign, the only way to tell is if the company continues to survive. :rolleyes:

jono
28th November 2009, 01:06 PM
Quote Seawing:
Our 2 and 100% power generators did not know what AFC ever promised us during the contract signing. Also stop with a generator to produce electricity for the later days of doing this again. Sooner or later if we find a good site is perhaps all the money out and go for the classic sail drives. Together with the hybrid story than the Solomon engines, 2 heavy generators, 4 DC / DC converters, 12 heavy batteries, meters heavy copper cables, distribution boxes and fuses, we win a case, we win mountain place under the bed and we would mostly weight. All in all, the entire hybrid us sad story and I can only conclude that we indeed have the wrong path to take. And if you think we are greener than the conventional drive, forget it, we consume more diesel than others because there ment too much reason to lose all our systems before any energy to the props arrive. Unquote:

You think 'Factory Manager' Gideon Goudsmit would be keeping a low profile now with Seawing above exposed, but no Planet Gideon is oblivious to anyone but himself...'hey there is nothing wrong with my Green Motion System'. fastcat435 was last seen riding off into the sunset, with everything right in his world...Jono

Talbot
28th November 2009, 02:27 PM
For a time I was drawn to the Privilege 395 in the States that was for sale (and had been for a long time) This boat was powered by solomons electric motors.

I could not afford her anyway,

Even If I had purchased her, the very first thing I planned to do was to rip those motors out and go with conventional power.

I believe that the present generation of electric systems have a place for coastal cruising, but long distance with the present technology is a no-no.

The engines themselves are suitable, and I like the concept and the ease of control.

The present battery systems and whole recharge system is too complex and too inefficient for me.

ka8uet
30th November 2009, 01:54 AM
If the battery technology now being developed is able to be used, would you then think that the electric drive engines would be suitable? How about for someone like me, since I have no interest in crossing oceans, only joining the snowbirds on the ICW moving from Lake Erie to Florida, perhaps crossing to Burmuda or the Bahamas. I intend living on the boat. Would that be a suitable use for the electric drives?

BigCat
30th November 2009, 02:12 AM
If the battery technology now being developed is able to be used, would you then think that the electric drive engines would be suitable? How about for someone like me, since I have no interest in crossing oceans, only joining the snowbirds on the ICW moving from Lake Erie to Florida, perhaps crossing to Burmuda or the Bahamas. I intend living on the boat. Would that be a suitable use for the electric drives?

You would be using your engines much more in that kind of cruising than you would if you were ocean voyaging. Aside from the batteries, the question arises, how will you charge the batteries? I don't think electric systems are good for much but plugging in to AC power on shore, and using for motoring in and out of marinas. FP's system was designed for a range of 12 miles at no great speed.

Talbot
30th November 2009, 05:48 AM
I agree with Big Cat. Definitely not suitable for your intended use.

ka8uet
1st December 2009, 02:14 AM
Ah well, I had hoped for better. However, it seems that it's not yet ready for prime time! I have been reading on other threads that the Torqueedo also has some quality issues at times. But then, so do most mechanical engines. Such is life.

Aram Vos
3rd September 2010, 04:43 PM
I am sorry but for legal reasons the poster has requested that I delete his post.
ForumAdmin

baba
4th September 2010, 02:10 AM
BOOOOM!

See: http://butterflyandbarnacle.wordpress.com/
(http://butterflyandbarnacle.wordpress.com/)

BigCat
4th September 2010, 02:13 AM
BOOOOM!

Everything you need is in http://butterflyandbarnacle.wordpress.com/

Of course, Gideon may be in Brazil by now, with a suitcase full of money, after liquidating everything he owned in South Africa.

African Seawing
7th November 2010, 11:37 PM
Seems that after only 3 years of use, one of the Fastcat Electrical drives needs a complete rewiring,

See: http://www.seawing.be/

click on Madeira 2.

Seems like Gideon is starting to get his service act together, all of a sudden Frank here, is getting support that was not there for a couple of years.

Funny that he says: "Even stronger, we had no problems at all Which could be related to African Cats during our 7 months in the Canaries" and then goes on to commend AFC for their service.

So what about the 2 previous years or so?


Anyway, good to see that Frank finally is getting some support, now we need to see Butterfly get some as well.

Alan

Total Bull shit,

I burned the generator of the Fischer Panda (not a Fastcat item). Gideon managed to get me a new generator while the garanty was done.

He also gave me a 2nd 10kW generator for not standing on one legg. Delivered in 5 days from Durban to Madeira. I builded in the gen myselve.

How come this information is so wrong. Plenty pics an explanations on my webside.

Frank

African Seawing
8th November 2010, 12:24 AM
To make things clear,

We have still our Solomon electric drive and they gave us no problems so far. Never did before either. Good stuff.

The lack of speed was due to bad pitsh regulation. With the fethering props we do now 6kn and maybe that can be even more optimalised. Is very difficult to get the right pitch and then it will be only good at a certain speed.

On the Amazone we installed the fix props and where able to do 6.8kn. It's all in the blog. Now that we master a bit the Fischer Panda generators (delicate machines) we are not intending to leave the hybrid path yet. Sailing the boat so silent is hard to give up. Steering the boat with only the trottles is fun in marinas.

Ps. Paul is 200m away from us here in Grenada. He can come and look.

Sorry for the faults but I see no spelling checker.

African Seawing
8th November 2010, 02:50 PM
I'm sorry to hear about the Solomon drive problem, as I had thought from the initial concept and further reading that it was a workable drive, at least in theory. Not so much in practice, it seems!


Never had problems with the Solomons. Never have wrote anything in that sence. In fact, Solomon is about the only thing here on board witch gave us no problems at all. The only complain I mite have is the power. We have ST37. It should have been ST74. It's Solomon themselves who stated ST37 was enough for a 43ft. See at Solomon site. No blame what so ever on this mather towards African Fastcats.

btw, it was I who insisted to have an hybrib. This was totaly new to Gideon. Therfore no experiance.